Does RIM stand a chance against Apple?
It may be too soon to write RIM off, but as it stands, I don’t see how the company even has a chance against Apple and its iPhone 3G. Call me a cynic, but doesn’t it seem awfully ironic that RIM has yet to make any major statements about the iPhone launch? To me, it looks like a company that’s deathly afraid of Apple and still has no idea how it wants to respond to the success of its main competitor.
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I highly enjoy the fact that
I highly enjoy the fact that I just read this article on my new iPhone 3G after discarding my Blackberry Curve.Ironic.
Have you actually looked at
Have you actually looked at the market share figures? I work for a rather large employer, and our handheld deployment device standard is the Blackberry. We have deployed over 40,000 of these devices through all parts of our organization. And not one iPhone yet.At the WES 2008 conference in Orlando this year, I met two other individuals who work for even larger companies. Once again, the Blackberry is in widespread use throughout their respective companies.
It's far too soon (far too soon) to claim that the iPhone will dethrone the Blackberry. The Exchange integration in 2.0 will help to close the gap, but it will take many years (if it ever happens at all) to bring the number of deployed iPhones to the level of deployed Blackberrys.
Tara, I think you may have
Tara, I think you may have missed one small point here. Corporate prosumers make about a drop or two in a bucket of consumers out there. What is fascinating, however, is that Apple is flirting with both groups with pretty much a single device (with just 3 minor variations - 8GB, 16GB black & white). That blurring of the target groups with a single product release - by a brand new player, takes more than guts or killer-instincts. It's a borderline arrogant lunacy, some call moxie. Steve Jobs, I have come to believe, has that. On that note, Nokia etc. mostly serve/dominate the 'non-smartphone' market, but they don't generate as high a profit and revenue margin as Apple generally enjoys with almost all its products. To think this is just the point of entry, just a knock on the door, with the vast fields of possibilities of a platform awakening... go ahead, think on that a bit. Meanwhile, even if you have secured the greatest engineers in your team, do you have the access point for a brand new OS to penetrate that the world will be ready to recognise, let alone embrace as a new platform? You need an established OS for that. Hardly any room left for new standards bypassing intellectual properties and patents. Just not economically and technically feasible. Apple just used mostly in-house stuff, with decades of experience in OS (and a great one at that, keyword: desktop quality), solid hardware-software in house integration, design and commercial lessons/base from iPod, iTunes support as backend content funneling, and a few fans willing to shoulder any 'beta' years. What you have is better than fail-safe.I have worked in an engineering capacity for much of my career inside fortune 25 companies. I carried two blackberries, one personal and one corporate. I've replaced them both with an iPhone late last year. More than anything, it remains a joyous decision. As an engineer, I can't help but marvel at the device, just as I did with iPod shuffle once. I think, many people take things for granted, and the sense of 'wow' and 'marvel' are muted on the current generation. Maybe.
I am a crackberry addict,
I am a crackberry addict, but my wife has an iphone 3G and I had the original iphone and hands down I would rather have my curve and so would my wife. Just this morning she was telling me she was going to take her iphone back. And it seems like this is the trend over time once the hype wears off your looking somewhere else. I think the iphone is the it phone for now but once the hype dies rim will regain its market share even in the consumer space.I do still own my iphone I don't use it but I'm one of the crazy people who thinks steve jobs can do no wrong! (Have my apple two still so that should tell tell you somthing...it is not the phone my friends.)
i believe Tara is quite
i believe Tara is quite right. Corporate prosumers would not require a phone that is mainly multi-media driven. 3G functionality is a far too early to become a necessity for the corporate world. Also the current "worldwide" corporate customer base of Blackberry does not allow Iphone to rule it out soon, specially in countries where having an Iphone is still a dream.I have just returned from
I have just returned from 2014. And here are the marketshares of the Smartphone market:RIM: 16%
IPhone 6G: 28% (1 manufacturer; one being sued)
Windows Mobile 10 54% (89 manufacturers)
Others: 2%
Didn't you read that
Didn't you read that Microsoft was liquidated in 2012?Windows Mobile has zero percent in 2014.
Don't underestimate just how
Don't underestimate just how stupid people are... many will continue with what they know and be in denial that there is something much better. After all Mac OS X has had Windows beaten hollow on all counts for the last five years but most people stupidly continue using the far worse option.Bottom line is you are right, RIM are from here on just playing catch-up, and like Microsoft they will keep seeing Apple's rear lights disappearing over the horizon...
When it comes to business,
When it comes to business, quick fast responsive communication tool the blackberry stands out anyday. Ever watched your inbox in outlook and blackberry inbox while someone sends you an email ? if you have done it you would know the context "true push" not some simulated behind the scene polling with battery and data being drained.The blackberry is a great communication device with always on. Notification and push occur on the radio layer hence the RIM NOC. Apple Iphone is a great media device may be it should be caled iMediaPlayer because that's what it does best. It takes years to get all the security certification and the blackberry enjoys best in the industry in terms of security. Every time the the SDK for Iphone gets released someone comes with a crack and break the security. I'd think twice before allowing such a fragile vulnerable device in our corporate office.
I am in agreement with Ajax,
I am in agreement with Ajax, the iPhone was not built with business use in mind. Most corporations are worried about productivity and not toys. The company I work for disables quite a few of the Blackberry "nice to have" software, not to mention they need the ability to restrict the applications that can be installed and to push software and patches if necessary.When the iPhone starts thinking more on a corporate level, it will then be able to unseat RIM.
Sure the iphone is the new
Sure the iphone is the new wow toy on the block but its not the be all that ends all for RIM. Sure RIM will lose some marketshare to the fruit,but RIM isn't sitting on its ass doing nothing. There are a few upcoming models from RIM that will satisfy almost every consumer (even a flip style blackberry).One thing that the article failed to mention (because it was so pro biased iphone) is that if you leave on the 3G antenna all day to get your push exchange email, your whole day will consist of 3-5 hours battery life. For one that's just ludicrous tech specs in the industry. 2, that wouldn't be so bad if Apple didn't have a closed system and let you change the battery.
Right now on my curve I can go about 1.5 days without charging. And if I'm nowhere near an outlet for a while I can easily swap batteries.
If the iphone had swappable batteries and voice dialing I'd consider jumping ship, but those 2 crucial elements are keeping me in the RIM camp until the next iphone iteration. Oh forgot one other thing. Having a fullsized keyboard is absolutely phenomenal.
At&t is a slower service
At&t is a slower service than verizon evdo rev a and my curve has mms, removable battery, removable storage card - up to 16 gigs, a video camera, flash on the camera, blackberry legendary push technology, as well as the fact that I can text with 1 hand - also Research in Motion has a whole lines of phones across all the cellphone carriers AND 4 new phones coming out - two of which have a larger screen and a haptic multi-touch screen- they sold 5.6 million units in the last quarter - that's more than apple sold for the entire last year - pfft iphone taking out RiM - your stupidmyopic article. while
myopic article. while everyone is watching RIM vs Apple at the high end of the mkt, RIM is positioning itself for the mass markets (cheap curve upgrade called javelin and clamshell called kickstart). What will really drive their growth is the elasticity of demand for data services. RIM actively works with carriers to offer lower data plans and even pre-paid plans. t-Mobile BB plan for $10/month? 5 euro email plans in Europe? You'll see more of these flexible plans and you"ll see blackberry adoption continue to soar. In fact, iPhone actually HELPS RIM as it brings much more attention to smartphone devices. AND ACTIVESYNC DOES NOT EQUAL BES. NOTE EVEN CLOSE. RIM's architecture is a true advantage that no one else has. I can't wait to hear all those "power" users complain about how at the end of the day, they have a very expensive paperweight while the BB still has power left. PHYSICS matter!I have to disagree
I have to disagree wholeheartedly. I just discarded my original iPhone and went back to a Blackberry. Why? Simple.the iPhone is simply NOT ready for serious business users. They only just now, with version 2.0, enabled the ability to search your contacts (not the entire phone, mind you, just contacts) after a YEAR. This may not mean much to you, but I have almost 3 thousand contacts. Try scrolling through that number, especially if you can't remember how you filed a certain contact.
There is still no voice command. You must still dial numbers or find your contact. Isn't this 2008?
There is still no ability to copy and paste. Once again, isn't this 2008?
I don't need more cutesy applications. I need a functional PDA / Smart Phone. Everyone else can accomplish these simple tasks, but it eludes Apple.
The final straw for me was the version 2.0 update, which completely destroyed my ability to connect to my UConnect hands-free in my new Caliber SRT. It also rendered my bluetooth headset intermittent, caused my email to occasionally work and, generally speaking, turned my $600.00 phone into a high-tech paper weight. With no mechanism for reverting to a previous OS, I was left with an expensive BRICK on my hands.
No thanks.
Rim doesn't have anything to
Rim doesn't have anything to worry about as long as the Phones are tied to AT&T.In My Area AT&T has the worst Cell phone service on the planet. Two people in the Local mall standing 50 feet apart can lose phone signal.
Also, Rim Provides a particular service. While Apple provides cell phones to cell phone company(s). The Apple Phone doesn't necessarily have all the featured items of Blackberry.
Other phones use touch screen technology so Its not like Apple has cornered the market. So RIM/Blackberry could come out with touch screen models and compete just as well. And the apple Phones are just a passing Fad. after a year or two they will be put up for other new style phones, jobs knows that. He is just putting something out to keep cash flow going while they come up with something that will really stay around.
So RIM has nothing to worry about for now. But, they have got to stay up on things. IF they don't inovate they will be history.
Personally, I'd say that
Personally, I'd say that blackberry really has the upper hand here. regardless if the thunder only has lukewarm acceptance they have the potential to cut into apple's market. Something Apple was unable to do to RIM. UBS Investment research determined that the effect of the iphone on the blackberry market was very insignificant, now RIM can fire back with a product that could interest current users and even bring in newer, younger users. something they obviously tried with the pearl.As a Mobile Device Admin I
As a Mobile Device Admin I try to keep an open mind with all new devices, but I feel the the iPhone is all to similar to its iPod cousin - geared for the unknowing consumer.I have used the iPhone, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Palm devices and RIM/Blackberry is the only device to get it completly right on all levels. RIM has seemless compression, encryption, a flawless-OS, intranet/internal-lan access, IT policy implimentation . . . and thats just the begining . . . extreemly-high battery life (and swapable/replacible), service not only for the device but for the entire email send/recieve process.
The iPhone may fill a niche for those that need occassional, non-critical access to corporate information, but RIM has the enterprise market cornered. It truly is amazing how RIM and Apple designed their devices with a completly different focus; RIM started the develpment with the goal of helping meet Business needs, Apple combined a phone, mp3 player, and web browser and then expect Business to accept them as they are. The next iPhone will need to be designed from the ground-up for enterprise use to compete.